tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post7402649019958759341..comments2023-12-27T03:44:03.834+01:00Comments on Presenting Lenore: Book Bloggers Behaving Badly (2): Plagiarism Is So Not CoolLenore Appelhanshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16664671644163369772noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-12193959382366038262012-04-27T12:36:21.697+02:002012-04-27T12:36:21.697+02:00{new follower here}
I don't understand why pe...{new follower here}<br /><br />I don't understand why people do it - they hurt themselves in the long run and there is logically no justification for such a lapse of judgement. <br /><br />{http://www.justonemorechapter.net}zapkode.mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252415649364178381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-15378709575474648442012-04-24T22:59:04.873+02:002012-04-24T22:59:04.873+02:00We've dealt with this at OpenBookSociety.com. ...We've dealt with this at OpenBookSociety.com. A reviewer of mine found her exact review, down to spelling and punctuation mistakes, on another blog. <br /><br />It was really upsetting to my reviewer and I allowed her to decide the best course of action.<br /><br />We asked said blogger to publicly apologize on her blog. We asked her to take down the review and we reported her for copyright infringement.Dawnhttp://openbooksociety.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-45420740952843942742012-04-24T15:58:35.172+02:002012-04-24T15:58:35.172+02:00I guess the Story Siren isn't as all that as e...I guess the Story Siren isn't as all that as every thought. She should be ashamed of herself for preaching when she was guilty of the same thing. It's terrible when people steal words, but opinions? That's just crazysauce.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10717707372283581208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-46886822140985790492012-04-23T02:48:01.255+02:002012-04-23T02:48:01.255+02:00Funny you mention how The Story Siren preached aga...Funny you mention how The Story Siren preached against plagiarism...<br /><br />http://www.gritandglamour.com/2012/01/31/bitch-stole-my-content-plagiarism/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-64652680307466113482010-04-27T00:12:11.083+02:002010-04-27T00:12:11.083+02:00One of my very first posts was plagarized...but I ...One of my very first posts was plagarized...but I think I was set up. I was so nervous about reviewing one of the first books I received from a publisher for review on my blog. I can't tell you how much I put into writing it, I even sent it over to my sister to check it (she used to be an editor). Then, the day after I put up the review, I got an e-mail from an anonymous source telling me that the review was word for word up at Amazon under another (also anonymous) name. I was pissed, and had no idea what to do. <br /><br />This one incident almost caused me to stop blogging before I even got started. <br /><br />Maybe that was the whole point? <br />Maybe it was someone who didn't want me to blog? But why?<br /><br />I was obsessive about checking for plagerizers...until finally I had to let it go. If someone was going to plagerize my content, there's very little I can do about it. Sucks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497303169422440094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-14716618023224606342010-04-25T01:37:29.025+02:002010-04-25T01:37:29.025+02:00I didn't realize this was happening. That'...I didn't realize this was happening. That's terrible. I'm off to read those posts you linked to. <br /><br />I don't know about behaving badly but I don't like seeing people reviewing books I know they got for review and they include 3 paragraphs of summary and 1 short paragraph of book thoughts. I'm surprised they even get review books.Kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04013633281843747712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-23576495239606236202010-04-23T20:29:43.286+02:002010-04-23T20:29:43.286+02:00Just finding out about this and am as shocked as e...Just finding out about this and am as shocked as everyone else. Who knows why this person did what they did, bu am really surprised they didn't think they would be caught!<br /><br />I do my best to stay away from reading other's reviews until after I've already written mine, as I don't want to be influenced in any way. Agree that people can have the same opinions and come to the same conclusions, but it's how you present everything that makes your review unique.<br /><br />Thanks for the great discussion!Alexia561https://www.blogger.com/profile/10797515620050469395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-43577514636266232092010-04-23T18:07:09.017+02:002010-04-23T18:07:09.017+02:00I am just coming across all of this today. HOLEY C...I am just coming across all of this today. HOLEY CRAP! What in the world.<br /><br />I can say on a positive note that most of the reviews I have read on people sites have been original and unique to it's writer. I am still in shockLiz @ Cleverly Inkedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16283766836059873892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-21373333530996368342010-04-22T18:49:43.379+02:002010-04-22T18:49:43.379+02:00Thanks for posting this, Lenore! I doubt I've...Thanks for posting this, Lenore! I doubt I've been the victim of plagiarism yet, as my reviews are generally really short and often give my own experience for how I heard about the book. I HAVE, however, noticed a few blogs posting after me about things I posted first - like an upcoming book, or a National event for the week - and would love to have been given credit for the information (assuming they did find it on my site). I'd love at least a comment on my own blog post. I guess once you find cool information though, it's not always easy remembering where it came from.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15390269408648386607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-16825643446939268512010-04-21T19:01:30.313+02:002010-04-21T19:01:30.313+02:00This is why I stay away from reviews of books I cu...This is why I stay away from reviews of books I currently read. I don't want my experience to be "tainted" (for a lack of better word). <br /><br />Plagiarism is a terrible thing, and I think unfortunately it is is more pervasive with the Internet and will become more so as more things move to the Internet.<br /><br />We all have to be on the lookout for these things, and I hope anyone who has done this or is thinking about doing it -- thinks twice and decides against the practice.Serenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745809545249574387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-30639673728177847382010-04-21T16:47:24.687+02:002010-04-21T16:47:24.687+02:00I've had parts of reviews copied before and ju...I've had parts of reviews copied before and just passed it off, because I wasn't sure the copier (an older man from a different country) really understood what plagiarism is.<br /><br />In writing classes, I teach the difference between a fact (with books, a direct quotation or paraphrase) and an inference (the conclusion you draw from that fact) as part of the process of teaching what plagiarism is--taking the inferences of others and using them as facts, rather than as authorities, who need to be cited).Jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374498643286099244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-89050275617104603172010-04-19T18:32:59.692+02:002010-04-19T18:32:59.692+02:00I still can't believe someone is doing this. ...I still can't believe someone is doing this. It's ridiculous and offensive on so many levels.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07471888892825724116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-561397529223620512010-04-18T20:59:58.156+02:002010-04-18T20:59:58.156+02:00Very interesting topic Lenore. I am not a book blo...Very interesting topic Lenore. I am not a book blogger, but certainly enjoy your blog as well as some others I've found through you. I say go after all the plagiarists out there. I've never understood people that think they can get away with it. It's immoral and wrong!Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03713081443454171988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-23282828917425804032010-04-18T14:16:19.991+02:002010-04-18T14:16:19.991+02:00I love writing and reading books. I love the notio...I love writing and reading books. I love the notion that people can make things up in their mind and then make them real on a page, for the pleasure or utility of someone else. One of my favorite mentor on learning <a href="http://www.writeabook7minutesaday.com" rel="nofollow"> how to write a book</a> is Mark Victor Hansen, co-author of Chicken Soup for the Soul.whiteshark0121https://www.blogger.com/profile/10533468599088560475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-66072683553813738672010-04-17T17:34:33.093+02:002010-04-17T17:34:33.093+02:00I was just discussing this with my writing group l...I was just discussing this with my writing group last week. <br /><br />While I always write reviews in my words on my own blog, occasionally people will post favorite articles on the group blog. Though they are always linked to the original article, we discussed the fact that it might not be strictly legal to copy an article in its entirety, especially without original thought attached to it (as in, not using it to make an original point, just re-posting). <br /><br />Does anyone have thoughts about whether that can/should be counted as plagiarism? Linking to an article is one thing, but full-scale reproduction is another, in my opinion.Broche Fabianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00563147734546319147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-59496433195687858882010-04-17T13:48:14.643+02:002010-04-17T13:48:14.643+02:00This is EXACTLY why I only skim or don't read ...This is EXACTLY why I only skim or don't read reviews of books that I know I'm going to review the book myself within a few weeks. If you don't like to write or can't think of anything new to say then either don't review the book or do a mini review that says something like -- Everyone else has already covered the main points but I'd like to reiterate how great this book is because . . . and leave it at that. Provide links to other reviews. I hope I haven't been plagiarized but I don't know.Beth Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627666337961326265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-89755413220665358072010-04-17T13:40:52.865+02:002010-04-17T13:40:52.865+02:00Great article! I definitely agree. If you are goin...Great article! I definitely agree. If you are going to use something, make sure to give your source the proper credit! Don't try to pass it off like your own writing!!!Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18387514456532980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-5194140458993467542010-04-17T11:20:54.418+02:002010-04-17T11:20:54.418+02:00Like many of the other comments, I was going to sa...Like many of the other comments, I was going to say "why would anyone even do this?", but Steph Su's comment makes sense to me. I can see WHY it happens, but it's of course still unfortunate that it does. Hopefully the posts about it this week will cause the plagiarists to rethink their strategy.Ana S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16092495983972185943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-22552652415627190262010-04-17T08:04:43.210+02:002010-04-17T08:04:43.210+02:00Donna - Probably the threat of legal action is en...Donna - Probably the threat of legal action is enough to force most plagiarizers to take down tainted content? I'm not sure. I expect if the plagiarizer in question had not taken down the content, we'd currently be attending a public roast rather than a plagiarizm awareness drive.Lenore Appelhanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664671644163369772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-7490734324158929302010-04-17T08:01:34.567+02:002010-04-17T08:01:34.567+02:00Kat - I am starting to think we do need to create ...Kat - I am starting to think we do need to create such a group.Lenore Appelhanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664671644163369772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-1820358028268488812010-04-17T07:59:26.628+02:002010-04-17T07:59:26.628+02:00Coul - Of course some people are going to have som...Coul - Of course some people are going to have some of the same arguments - that's why I caution people to really gather evidence before making accusations. But are they really going to have ALL the same arguments, worded exactly the same way, just with obvious use of a thesaurus to "mask" the plagiarism?Lenore Appelhanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664671644163369772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-68727797943459566492010-04-17T02:05:06.276+02:002010-04-17T02:05:06.276+02:00Plagiarism is a moron's way of writing because...Plagiarism is a moron's way of writing because they're not creative enough to come up with something original themselves. Imitation is the best form of flattery and all of that but don't take my words, word for word, and claim them as your own. That's not imitation. That's identity theft.<br /><br />As a writer it's something I take seriously and I will jump on anyone that I catch plagiarizing my work. The thing is, I don't know how effective legal action will be on the plagiarism of free content. In publishing, taking legal action will prevent the plagiarists from making money off of someone else's work but with a blog? Personally I think that's too far. It's a book review. if the blogger is noncompliant with my requests, I will call them out and make damn sure every single person knows how much of a shit they are. But hiring a lawyer for a book review? No thanks. If it were my original work, that'd be a different story but I can write my own cease and desist letter quite convincingly without paying a lawyer $300 an hour to do it for me. Even if you get the blog shut down, said offender can just create a new one. With things like this, you really have to pick and choose your battles. <br /><br />Going for the jugular for a book review seems pretty intense for me. But I'll certainly publicly torture the offender and bring myself much joy from the matter.Donna (Bites)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12585421704517898076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-29539267278563786892010-04-17T00:09:21.292+02:002010-04-17T00:09:21.292+02:00I've left this comment at some of the other bl...I've left this comment at some of the other blogs who are discussing this:<br /><br />At <a href="http://www.fantasyliterature.com" rel="nofollow">FanLit</a>, we've been affected by plagiarism, too, but there seem to be several culprits out there, which is very upsetting.<br /><br />I wish I had time to start some sort of group where bloggers/readers could report and discredit bloggers who plagiarize. If someone would be willing to do that, please let us know.Kat Hooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16960395513096788865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-35845615204488297792010-04-16T23:32:19.775+02:002010-04-16T23:32:19.775+02:00I have one minor disagreement here - the idea that...I have one minor disagreement here - the idea that having the same arguments as someone being plagiarism. <br /><br />Granted, I'm not a review-based blogger, so any reviews I do are on my personal journal and are very informal, but I generally get my reading material FROM blogs like yours. So if I read about a book, read it and write about it, if it turns out that I agree with things said in the review I got it from, I'm not sure how that works.<br /><br />I won't copy it directly, of course, but if you say something along the lines of "While most readers seem to feel that Bob was justified in doing X, I feel that his motives were selfish, and for me that taints the whole message the author intended," and I agree, where is the border between plagiarism and simply having the same ideas? I guess I'm not sure I understand what you mean by plagiarizing arguments.coulrophobic agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529243280844103232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-987167496142681464.post-7372139239468463462010-04-16T23:14:46.653+02:002010-04-16T23:14:46.653+02:00Well I don't write anything brilliant enough t...Well I don't write anything brilliant enough to be plagiarized but what a horrible thing to do. If you've read the book you should certainly be able to find something to say about it. I do find it difficult when so many of us are writing reviews about the same books and have a lot of the same ideas but you should still be able to convey your thoughts on that idea in your own way. Copying someone's work is just wrong and a person should really feel ashamed for doing it in the first place. A lot of people with blogs work really hard to write their reviews, etc. and that should be respected.Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15387389557243960084noreply@blogger.com